Still think the Earth is flat?

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 03/04/2019 at 12:30 • Filed to: None

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Then allow Carl Sagan to  explain why you are willfully stupid.

random001 > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:36

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It IS flat!*

*For a statistically small localized area

facw > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:39

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Yeah, well if Carl Sagan is so smart, how come he’s dead huh? For that matter we can ask the same question about Eratosthenes.  

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > random001 03/04/2019 at 12:39

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if it is flat... why do i keep tripping over it?

huh?

huh?

answer me that epstein

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:39

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Technically, if the shadows at the two locations were exactly the same, the Earth would have to be slightly inverted and concave toward the sun , which would be like some freak Inception CGI effect.

But the point of the observation is good . I just think the idea of watching ships disappear over the horizon is a little easier to observe and understand.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:41

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My favorite argument that flat earthers is that “ you can’t feel how fast the earth is moving, so it must not be moving”

To which I reply “your moving 4-500mph when you fly on a plane, why aren’t you being sucked back into your seat?” It’s because you can not Feel speed, you can observe it from the objects you move past, or thing  you run into like air, but as long as it’s constant speed is imperceivable. You can’t feel a constant, only a change, in this case acceleration.

ttyymmnn > facw 03/04/2019 at 12:41

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He and Eratosthenes are dead because they know science is true.

facw > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 03/04/2019 at 12:42

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From what I can tell from your posts, that’s because of the alcohol...

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > facw 03/04/2019 at 12:42

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what?

nooo... my precious booze wouldnt betray me like that :p

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > facw 03/04/2019 at 12:42

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what?

nooo... my precious booze wouldnt betray me like that :p

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2019 at 12:45

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ships disappear over the horizon

Wrong. They are falling off the edge.

gettingoldercarguy > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:45

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HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:48

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I’ve been thinking on Flerthers for some time now. I think it’ s less a failing on the part of science and more a failure of society. Flat earth is a lighting rod movement for people who feel disenfranchised and left behind by the world and are looking for something that helps them feel in control and special again.

There are 2 things I’ve come to realize about this phenomenon

1. This isn’t about science or “ truth” as much as it is about pulling away from the norm.

2. The only thing that comes from poking at Flerthers is an increased schism between logic and this normative dissonance. And many youtube channels.

My thinking to the solution of the flat earth problem is less on education on more on inclusion. less “H ey stupid! Y ou’re wrong and you should feel bad !” and more “H ey man, I’ m glad you got a healthy skepticism, let’ s play this out together and see what happens, yeah?”

ttyymmnn > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 03/04/2019 at 12:48

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Just the other day one of my boys asked me what would happen if you jumped out of a car going 30 mph. I said that you would still be going 30 mph, but the friction from hitting the pavement would slow you down pretty quickly.

It has a lot to do with perspective. If you were on a sailing ship and standing at the bottom of the mast, and somebody dropped a ball to you, it would appear (to you)  to fall straight down. But somebody graphing its movement from a distance would see the ball trace a curved line. It’s not that hard to get your head around, you just have to want to try.

ttyymmnn > gettingoldercarguy 03/04/2019 at 12:49

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Maybe should say “ MY WORLD IS FLAT.”

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch 03/04/2019 at 12:51

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There is no man as blind as the one who refuses to see.

Just Jeepin' > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 03/04/2019 at 12:51

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I had no idea they used an argument that easy to refute; do they also argue that if you were in Australia you’d fall off?

I had a science (sigh) teacher in elementary school who told us that rivers couldn’t flow north, because on a globe north is up, and water can’t run uphill.

A few of us set out to find rivers that did so (which is surprisingly hard; a lot more rivers flow south, curiously) but even pointing out the Nile wasn’t enough to convince her of the truth.

facw > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:52

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See, wouldn’t they be better off thinking that science is false and thus being immortal?

In any event, my main thought about Sagan is that he had a very cool office/apartment:

He worked out of this Egyptian revival structure built as home to a secret society perched atop a cliff overlooking Ithaca falls, and across the Fall Creek gorge from Cornell. IIRC the upper section was a penthouse apartment, though he also had family home overlooking the lake (his daughter Alex was in my year in high school).

Also, I like this, stupid as it is :

They laugh now, but within 10 years the city’s entire criminal class will have quit to work on space research.

gettingoldercarguy > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:54

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That would preclude my arrogance and the ironic mockery of the mouth breathers.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 12:55

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I see it more as mules who’ll dig in their heels when pulled.

Less strap, more carrot.

I’ve never waterskied in my life, even though I spent all my summers at a lake with a boat. W hy? B ecause everyone told me i HAD to try it. Nuts to those guys!  Yes its cutting of the nose to spite the face but some people just have to feel like they’re getting there on their own.  

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 03/04/2019 at 13:00

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HammerheadFistpunch > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2019 at 13:02

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I finally got to see that for myself this summer. I don’t live by the ocean so my opportunities are limited

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 03/04/2019 at 13:06

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TLDR: Flat earthers are distrustful and want to feel special.  

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 03/04/2019 at 13:07

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Ash78, voting early and often > HammerheadFistpunch 03/04/2019 at 13:37

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I grew up in coastal FL, so it was just something you saw regularly and never questioned. Of course, Florida itself is so flat, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the ancestral home of Flat Earthers.

Topography, to me, is like the soul of a place. I doubt I would move somewhere flat for double the salary.

We also didn’t have stuff like “leaves changing in the fall” or “snow” so there’s a lot that people just miss out on when they don’t live in temperate zones. OTOH, when I was about 10 my mom told me that there were people in America who had never seen the ocean and I thought she was just messing with me.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 14:17

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I think Flat Earthing is an example of how people try to ape the process of critical thinking without understanding how it works.  You see the same thing with anti-vaxxers. The common denominator is an inability to evaluate and prioritize data.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 03/04/2019 at 14:26

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Inability or unwillingness?

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 14:34

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Inability exacerbated by unwillingness to learn.

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch 03/04/2019 at 14:47

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The problem is that any evidence presented is met with, it’s fake. Even basic experiments, like a boat disappearing or a laser changing elevation .

Once they go down the path of it’s fake, they’ve left logic behind.

I don’t know how you could watch this and still think the Earth is flat, but people do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVa2UmgdTM4

gin-san - shitpost specialist > ttyymmnn 03/04/2019 at 14:48

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Heck, you could show those silly videos of people trying to do some dance while the car is moving, trying to exit the vehicle as if it was parked,  and ends with them eating pavement.

Not sure what the dance is called or why the fuck it was happening the first place (insert Grandpa Simpsons “I used to be with it” speech) but I think it answers your boy’s question.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > Chariotoflove 03/04/2019 at 14:51

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Both deserve to be openly and continuously mocked and ridiculed.

Chariotoflove > gin-san - shitpost specialist 03/04/2019 at 14:55

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More importantly, increase the STEM component of their kids’ curriculum.

ttyymmnn > gin-san - shitpost specialist 03/04/2019 at 15:05

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It was called the Shaggy Challenge, and it shows just how fucking stupid people are, or how far they are willing to go to feed their narcissism. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 03/04/2019 at 15:15

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right, Distrustful. If it’ s not in the boundaries of your new circle of facts than its easily dismissible as being a deception. This is why the who “here is the science dingus!” videos and posts don’t do much except galvanize their belief system.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > HammerheadFistpunch 03/04/2019 at 15:54

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I agree for some of them, but not all. And I think the same could be applied, they only loosely, to trump’s base.

HammerheadFistpunch > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/04/2019 at 16:03

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I heard a depressing statistic yesterday that the latest polls show the president’ s approval rating is 90% in his party (46% overall) . Thats some disheartening partisanship right there. I see it all the time too. “Im a republican and I’ve always been one!”. But what does that mean? M y wife accuses me of being a close t democrat all the time and I have to say I that while I don’t consider myself in league with what the republican party has come to represent I’ m certainly no democrat either. It’ s more disgusting to me that I even need a label to have a political opinion.  I vote for people and policies, not parties.